Notes+from+Dec+9

[7:08:41 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Hi everyone.. [7:09:09 AM] *** Gauri Salokhe has changed the chat topic to "Training Discussion #2"** [7:09:09 AM] Cristina Sette says: hi :) [7:09:56 AM] Nancy White says: Don't worry. Many of us dont either [7:09:57 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: http://sharefair09.wikispaces.com/Notes+from+Oct+27+meeting [7:10:58 AM] Nancy White says: Let me see if I can find and forward. Christina, can you post your emai?l here [7:11:22 AM] Cristina Sette says: c.sette@cgiar.org [7:12:27 AM] Cristina Sette says: thanks luca, got it [7:12:53 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: looked at submissions [7:12:59 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: top areas [7:13:08 AM] Cristina Sette says: ok [7:13:10 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: sorted 150 rposals [7:13:21 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: 12 areas [7:13:50 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: within areas = overlaps [7:15:36 AM] Nancy White says: So there are thematic threads/overlaps (rural dev) and there are also process overlaps (i.e. databases) [7:16:11 AM] Nancy White says: So every contribution may have a theme and a process label? [7:16:12 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: THE BIG 12: Strategy, Best Practices, Capacity Building for KM (or KM for CB), Databases/ISs, Knowledge Flows for Staff, Knowledge Networks and CoPa, Knowledge for Influence, Local Knowledge, Teamwork and Collaboration, Tools for Communication, Websites [7:16:55 AM] Nancy White says: Best practices as it relates to specific tnemes, or best practices that are cross cutting? [7:17:12 AM] Roxanna Samii says: cross cutting good practices, here we have source books etc [7:18:10 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: local knowledge: untapping knowledge at local level [7:18:23 AM] Nancy White says: Is there a sole focus on these orgs as the providers of knowledge or are there any that go the other way? I worry about separating knowledge for influence from local knowledge. Why not put them together as theya re the two sides of the same coin, no? [7:18:31 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: teamwork and collaboration: tools, methodologies, databases used to enhance teamwork/information sharing [7:19:06 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: tools for communication: intranets, newsletters, using mass media (radio, television, receipes, etc.) [7:19:17 AM] Roxanna Samii says: This was our first cut categorization. Most probably a number of these categories will be merged with each other. [7:19:40 AM] Nancy White says: I would also worry about separating websites on their own --> I would put them under tools as well, because otherwise people focus on the production of their websites as a distribution vehicle. So I'd not focus on that in isolation. I share your worry about separating them out. [7:19:58 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: website: simple website without looking at KS views.. [7:20:15 AM] Roxanna Samii says: We agree with you Nancy re the website [7:20:31 AM] Cristina Sette says: i agree with nancy. website for communicate info [7:20:53 AM] Luca Servo says: Gauri, did you make any selction? I mean did you exclude any proposal? [7:21:04 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: we agree with you.. --> can go under tools for commun ication.. [7:21:48 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: (2 proposals from NON-FAO were rejected)... we are being really nice. :) [7:21:56 AM] Roxanna Samii says: Knowledge for influence was more how KM has influenced policy [7:22:10 AM] Luca Servo says: maybe too much???? (sweat) [7:22:39 AM] Nancy White says: Sounds a bit patriarchal to me... ;) [7:22:42 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: ;) yes.. but let's see how far we can accomodate everyone [7:23:52 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Nancy (Nadia here) - you are right. but the submissions are what they are ... seems like patriarchal projects get funded ;) we have to showcase them, no? [7:23:53 AM] Cristina Sette says: i think the categories could be: capturing knowledge, re-working knowledge, and diseminating knowledge [7:24:16 AM] Nancy White says: I think local knowledge is also knowledge for policy change. If we look at knowledge wholistically, and how it creates /supports change. If we continue to reframe to we, not us and them, it may help, no? [7:24:34 AM] Nancy White says: What I LOVE as i read through the proposals, [7:24:48 AM] Nancy White says: is the opportunity for each to discover other folks doing things that related to each other [7:24:55 AM] Nancy White says: so this cross cutting idea is fabulous [7:25:40 AM] Nancy White says: We need to find a hook for people who self-categorise as "fisheries" --> do they need any nudges to find others' work in other areas such as ag --> to take a peek at each others' work? [7:26:25 AM] Nancy White says: nadia - I'm easily imagining this challenge... ;) [7:26:47 AM] Nancy White says: Is this the scan of all the proposals, or just the FAO ones? [7:27:27 AM] Nancy White says: What if every contribution is tagged, and it can have many tags, and we don't group them? [7:27:31 AM] Nancy White says: What would happen? [7:27:44 AM] Cristina Sette says: what i hear reminds me of tagging :). [7:27:47 AM] Nancy White says: So any submission can have multiple tags [7:28:08 AM] Nancy White says: and people are challenged to makes sense of them not as something in a single category, but as something that offers them mutiple value? [7:30:55 AM] Nancy White says: You scare me, Lucie [7:31:14 AM] Nancy White says: (whew) [7:31:48 AM] Nancy White says: If we don't group, would people be more likely to browse across -- then use those "advisors" (Doctors) to help people to discover and explore [7:32:20 AM] Nancy White says: then why have the categories at all? [7:33:00 AM] Nancy White says: what would happen if there were no categories? [7:33:16 AM] Cristina Sette says: i see two situations here, first is about theme (policy, crop, trade, etc) and second is about knowledge per se. is that right? [7:33:22 AM] Nancy White says: 150 - how many are online? [7:33:59 AM] Cristina Sette says: perhaps we can have both [7:34:01 AM] Nancy White says: I am worried about the categorizations too, but I can't yet put my finger on why. Still at the gut level. [7:34:09 AM] Nancy White says: Patterns [7:34:19 AM] Nancy White says: patterns that people can relate to in some way, then move beyond that [7:34:20 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: gauri, antonella is online [7:34:24 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: she want in [7:35:24 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: added her [7:37:17 AM] Nancy White says: So people are presenting, some in booths, some posters... ah noise [7:37:29 AM] Roxanna Samii says: no presentations in booths [7:37:32 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: only 20 booths in atrium [7:37:46 AM] Roxanna Samii says: the booths will be more as info points [7:37:56 AM] Nancy White says: so I'm missing something. How will the knowledge be shared? Ah, grouped sessions. [7:38:17 AM] Nancy White says: I'm having a mini aha [7:39:53 AM] Nancy White says: I love tags [7:39:58 AM] Nancy White says: almost as much as chocolate [7:40:06 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: nooooo! [7:40:08 AM] Roxanna Samii says: good to hear that nancy [7:40:14 AM] Nancy White says: (tomorrow I facilitate a meeting and there is a leading chocolate scientiest present. I'm excited) [7:41:00 AM] Nancy White says: I guess I'm still worried about the knowledge for influence/local knowledge split. It might be very provocative to put them together and use that to challenge our perceptions [7:41:10 AM] Cristina Sette says: yes, i think to help people, we could have them tagging the theme (people can look for the topic they are interested) and the tag for a component of KM/KS [7:41:21 AM] Nancy White says: And I agree with the idea of subsuming websites into tools, but perhpas again creating a session that challenges thinking about websites in isolation [7:41:35 AM] Nancy White says: And then we have tag coaches instead of doctors [7:41:45 AM] Nancy White says: With big tags as our name tags [7:42:13 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Nadia here: Local knowledge and k for influence could be merged, I think. would make just one category. [7:42:23 AM] Nancy White says: (I presume the aggregation of projects/proposals into a grouping there would be an attempt to do it across agencies, yes?) [7:42:39 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Nadia here again: websites can also come under tools (for them, not for us) [7:42:46 AM] Nancy White says: Decision yet to be made: which are posters, which are in sessions [7:42:57 AM] Nancy White says: Nadia - thanks. I hope I'm not being too pushy. Blame it on the cold [7:43:07 AM] Nancy White says: (but I am pushy. What can I say? ;) ) [7:43:45 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: inaugerate story telling tent! -- good idea.. [7:43:59 AM] Nancy White says: (I am enjoying this idea of Gauri and Nadia at one computer - four hands, two voices, two brains, one Skype ID) [7:44:57 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Nadia here (for Nancy): only one keyboard, though. ;) [7:45:50 AM] Nancy White says: ;) [7:47:12 AM] Nancy White says: As i look at all these presentations, I had this wild idea that there is an ongoing fair that happens once a week at 1-2 set times and each of these people could present on a live meeting platform. People could drop in depending on their interest. They could get an alert of topics that were of interest to them based on a selection of tags or some soert of self diagnostic process. We'd start pairing the "presenters" based on some sense of both affinity and cross-pollinizastion. As I look at all of them, I am quite amazed. [7:47:36 AM] Nancy White says: 150 cannot be "consumed" in three days. So really ,how is the fair a launch point to a practice of sharing these things going forward, across agencies and departments [7:47:37 AM] Roxanna Samii says: yes nancy, that could work [7:47:45 AM] Nancy White says: We will clone you, Lucie [7:47:55 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: on you! [7:48:01 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: oops you, nancy [7:48:08 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: ;) [7:48:18 AM] Nancy White says: Oh good, two sick half brains! [7:48:57 AM] Cristina Sette says: following what nancy said, there are common questions/problems and it is independent from the theme. [7:49:07 AM] Nancy White says: Mining those questions would be really cool [7:49:40 AM] Cristina Sette says: such as HOW you involve women and youth and collect their knowledge, or involving farmers [7:49:43 AM] Nancy White says: (Now I'm thinking about what a self diagnostic/discovery tool would look like. I walk in and get/take this tool, and it suggests which sessions to go to) [7:49:49 AM] Nancy White says: lol [7:49:55 AM] Nancy White says: we're all falling apart at the seams [7:50:30 AM] Nancy White says: Facilitated sessions = peer assist, chat shows, world cafe, speed geeking [7:50:45 AM] Nancy White says: You could even do a whole session using human spectrogram [7:51:53 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: speed geeking - technology [7:52:11 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: chat shows - discussion session [7:52:24 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: world cafe - they need to know they are not presenting [7:52:41 AM] Nancy White says: Would that make our brains explode? [7:52:51 AM] Nancy White says: yeah, a lot of preparation [7:52:58 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: (i also did onn-tech speed geeking in bangkok and it also really worked well) [7:53:00 AM] Nancy White says: And trust on their part to let us throw them into this ocean [7:53:16 AM] Nancy White says: (we did it in Bonn last week and it went fab) [7:53:29 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: identify handful and work with them [7:53:38 AM] Nancy White says: and then what about the rest? More ppt? [7:54:01 AM] Nancy White says: We have the "how to materials" for most of these things on the KS toolkit [7:54:16 AM] Nancy White says: And then in the weeks prior, we can have a Skype training on each method to orient them to expectations [7:55:15 AM] Nancy White says: and this addresses some of the capacity buiding [7:55:17 AM] Nancy White says: yup [7:55:32 AM] Nancy White says: Will people be open to this and trust us? [7:55:42 AM] Nancy White says: And what do we do with those who are not so comfortable [7:55:53 AM] Roxanna Samii says: I think we need to identify some "to-be champions" and play with them! [7:55:54 AM] Nancy White says: (I know the Kasmiri guy - he wasin our workshop, right naida) [7:55:56 AM] Nancy White says: nadia [7:55:57 AM] Nancy White says: yup [7:57:16 AM] Nancy White says: "get it more slowly" --> made me giggle [7:57:30 AM] Nancy White says: Luca, what do you think? YOu have been quiet. [7:57:42 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: is anti there too? [7:57:46 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: ooops anto [7:58:47 AM] Nancy White says: Oops, not in the chat [7:58:55 AM] *** Gauri Salokhe added Antonella Pastore to this chat** [7:59:03 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: sorry anto.. forgot to add you [7:59:33 AM] Nancy White says: agree [7:59:39 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: thx for translating [7:59:43 AM] Nancy White says: LOL [7:59:50 AM] Nancy White says: At least one fully functional brain [8:00:06 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: you + me! quite the team! [8:00:10 AM] Nancy White says: Luca? Oh Quiet One? [8:00:27 AM] Nancy White says: Few Web 2 sumbissions [8:00:29 AM] Nancy White says: Oh, idea! [8:00:50 AM] Nancy White says: What if we had a lab session where we take some of the submission with no Web 2 and weht mixplore how web 2 might add something to their work? [8:01:00 AM] Antonella Pastore says: yeah! [8:01:00 AM] Nancy White says: "taking it to the next level" lab [8:01:04 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: great idea! [8:01:07 AM] Nancy White says: adding interaction to information [8:01:11 AM] Nancy White says: from info to knowledge sharing [8:01:16 AM] Nancy White says: jumping over the info gap [8:01:17 AM] Antonella Pastore says: webify them [8:01:42 AM] Nancy White says: The value of individual, group, network for KS in developmentl [8:02:16 AM] Cristina Sette says: playing the devils advocate: there are people confortable with the technology (website, blogs, etc) and there are those familiar and intersted about the content (and usually they have someone to develop what they need) [8:02:17 AM] Nancy White says: with a strong focus on WHY add wb 2, not just "gee whiz this is cool" [8:02:36 AM] Nancy White says: we could have a support group sesssion "I'm afraid of blogs - they scare me" [8:02:38 AM] Nancy White says: ;) [8:02:51 AM] Nancy White says: And another one for Web 2 addicts - how to talk to non geeks and not scare them [8:02:59 AM] Cristina Sette says: since I believe the two groups will be present at the fair, the challenge is to have the two groups working [8:02:59 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: I like this idea Nancy!!! [8:03:02 AM] Nancy White says: Oh, a session on "what is interaction" would be GREAT [8:03:20 AM] Nancy White says: Build sessions around a QUESTION rather than a "I want to tell you about this" [8:03:32 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: I agree with you Nancy [8:03:35 AM] Antonella Pastore says: that would help to put the tools in context [8:03:36 AM] Nancy White says: What happens when we make our data available to our stakeholders early in the research process? [8:03:39 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: (reminds me of our knowledge networks discussions, Luca!) [8:03:44 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: we have to build on their fears! ;) [8:03:46 AM] Antonella Pastore says: "what is interaction" is tough stuff, though [8:03:53 AM] Nancy White says: What happens when we give policy makers a way to tell us what information they need for policy change? [8:04:01 AM] Antonella Pastore says: risk of getting in definition mess and philosophical distinctions [8:04:16 AM] Antonella Pastore says: a bit more pragmatic, maybe? like put it in terms of participation? [8:04:23 AM] Nancy White says: What happens when we work on collaborative knowledge dissemination tools across projects and organizations rather than everyone build their own? [8:04:28 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: what about the white coats diagnostics for tools too? [8:04:31 AM] Nancy White says: (just brainstorming some questions) [8:04:36 AM] Nancy White says: Sure [8:04:42 AM] Luca Servo says: Lucie you should remember a very interesting definition of interaction ... ;) [8:04:43 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: for methods and tools [8:04:56 AM] Nancy White says: Why should I consider tools that are open? [8:05:03 AM] Nancy White says: How do I set my knowledge free? [8:05:19 AM] Antonella Pastore says: how do i do research when I'm planning aproject? [8:05:34 AM] Antonella Pastore says: how do I share my research data with free or low cost tools? [8:05:40 AM] Nancy White says: How do I pick tools? [8:05:57 AM] Nancy White says: Who is using what tool and how can I learn from them? [8:06:19 AM] Nancy White says: (what good drugs will help the symptoms of this cold disappear so I can facilitate the next 3 days?) [8:06:36 AM] Nancy White says: I'm home next week, sot hat is possible [8:06:43 AM] Nancy White says: Hopefully with more than 1/4 brain [8:08:18 AM] Nancy White says: Look for key questions across submissiosn -- maybe that is our "handle" as well [8:08:47 AM] Cristina Sette says: yes, nancy, i think that is the way forward. looking at the key questions [8:08:55 AM] Nancy White says: chat show, AAR, peer assist [8:09:18 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: peer assist, SNA, AAR, Knowledge Profiling [8:09:19 AM] Nancy White says: can you begin imagining some of them as World Cafe, Speed "Geeking" and a few other methods as well? [8:09:40 AM] Nancy White says: I have a 7am meeting /4pm your time already on Friday [8:09:46 AM] Nancy White says: Fri am I will be sleeping your friday [8:09:51 AM] Nancy White says: but take notes and I'll circle back [8:10:01 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: ok [8:10:07 AM] Cristina Sette says: i am free [8:10:36 AM] Luca Servo says: ok fro me too [8:10:41 AM] Luca Servo says: for [8:11:06 AM] Cristina Sette says: how many people are attending the fair??? [8:11:20 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: speed geeking - 20 mins 5 [8:12:07 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: speed geeking - showcasing e-learning projects [8:12:11 AM] Nancy White says: So maybe another name than Speed geeking [8:12:22 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: 10 Minutes of Fame.. ;) [8:12:23 AM] Nancy White says: "10 minutes of fame" --> Lucie's Thai experience, meetings [8:12:26 AM] Nancy White says: Exactly [8:12:30 AM] Nancy White says: the idea is quick samples [8:12:35 AM] Nancy White says: cross fertilization of ideas [8:12:41 AM] Nancy White says: And we could accomodate a lot of them [8:12:50 AM] Nancy White says: However, this is an exhausting format. [8:13:03 AM] Nancy White says: I'd group projects into half hour slots [8:13:06 AM] Antonella Pastore says: exhausting? [8:13:31 AM] Nancy White says: yeah, it takes a lot of energy both for presenters and participants. You are taking in a lot of info fast. [8:13:38 AM] Nancy White says: That is both the pro and con of the process. [8:13:39 AM] Antonella Pastore says: ok, thx [8:13:55 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: 9:30 - 12:30 and 13:45 - 16:45 [8:14:04 AM] Antonella Pastore says: Gauri, do you have a draft schedule you can share? [8:14:09 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: 18 th afternoon [8:14:13 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: for Rome people [8:14:53 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: (Anto: Nothing close.. this is so complicated! You have to come tomorrow with Enrica and help us out!) [8:15:13 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: 18th 4pm [8:15:40 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: 12th, 9 am [8:16:10 AM] Nancy White says: Oh, sorrhy about my breathingsound. Forgot to mute [8:16:27 AM] Nancy White says: Film Festival for all videos [8:16:46 AM] Nancy White says: Has anyone looked across ALL the orgs? [8:19:02 AM] Nancy White says: How and when to talk about tools [8:19:03 AM] Nancy White says: It varies [8:19:13 AM] Nancy White says: Sometimes we focus on problem --> how tools might be part of the solution [8:19:27 AM] Nancy White says: Sometimes we focus on the tool -->generally open imagination to new possibilities [8:19:34 AM] Nancy White says: However, tool pikcing is REALLY a hard issue [8:20:14 AM] Nancy White says: Again, if we have a question about the work (how do we share pre pub knowledge) --> then think about tools. Righr Anto [8:20:38 AM] Nancy White says: Sit a blogger on a panel with someone interested in influencing policy with knowledge [8:20:43 AM] Nancy White says: No Bull Shit! [8:20:49 AM] Nancy White says: (flex) [8:20:51 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Can we use the context idea from the Toolkit wiki? [8:22:07 AM] Nancy White says: Tool storytelling in small groups [8:22:30 AM] Nancy White says: as the form for demos [8:22:43 AM] Nancy White says: but prioritize tools in use --> for a purpose, not a techno-centric "oh wow" sort of approach [8:23:01 AM] Nancy White says: yeah, gauri (and that is on my agenda to improve that over the rest of this month) [8:23:18 AM] Nancy White says: people who work on strategy and people who work in tools. Interview [8:23:21 AM] Nancy White says: I like that [8:23:30 AM] Nancy White says: you are surfacing the questions [8:23:39 AM] Luca Servo says: Sorry, I have to go. Gauri let me know about the meeting at FAO. Cheers [8:23:40 AM] Nancy White says: and then people can figure out what questions they have to take back to their own work [8:23:43 AM] Luca Servo says: (wave) [8:23:49 AM] Nancy White says: yeah, I need to go too. Ouch, just looked at clock. [8:23:57 AM] Nancy White says: must get out of jammies [8:24:12 AM] Nancy White says: (we should also tell the story of developing the fair) [8:27:22 AM] Cristina Sette says: could we split among ourselves and call these people (from the proposals) and talk to them about their expectations/resources? [8:27:49 AM] Nancy White says: barriers to tool adoption - how do we enter useful conversation with each other and IT? [8:29:18 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: it's been 1.5 hrs, we need to wrap up [8:29:34 AM] Roxanna Samii says: yes. I need to go [8:29:36 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: yes... my back needs rest! [8:30:47 AM] Nancy White says: Your back is stil hurting? Im so sorry, G! [8:30:57 AM] Nancy White says: I could call people next week [8:30:59 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: yes.. on medication! :( [8:30:59 AM] Nancy White says: Just let me knwo [8:31:01 AM] Nancy White says: know [8:31:09 AM] Nancy White says: we all need good drugs today [8:31:21 AM] Nancy White says: But we are opening a huge line of sight to the issues [8:31:22 AM] Nancy White says: brava [8:31:24 AM] Nancy White says: bravo [8:31:29 AM] Nancy White says: and chocolate to all [8:31:31 AM] Nancy White says: be well [8:31:32 AM] Nancy White says: ciao [8:31:45 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: thanks Nancy!! [8:31:55 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: thanks everyone! [8:32:10 AM] Lucie Lamoureux says: i'm going for the good drugs now [8:32:15 AM] Roxanna Samii says: Thank you [8:33:16 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: Lucie and Nancy (Nadia here) - look after the germs well and make them go away soon! [8:33:18 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: :) [8:33:27 AM] Gauri Salokhe says: (wave)